Vox Apologia VII — Evolution vs. Creation: So What?

February 28th, 2005 | 04:29 AM |by Ed "What the" Heckman

The results for Vox Apologia VII are in! The topic at hand is “Evolution vs. Creation: So What?” This was apparently a popular topic, producing 12 excellent posts. (Or 11 plus my own. rasberry ) So without further ado, on to the posts:

Does The Creation/Evolution Debate Really Matter? by Jeff Smith of Proverbs Daily

After an examination of two worlds: one full of only Evolutionists and the other only Creationists, the answer to the question “does the Creation/Evolution debate really matter?” comes into focus.

Intelligent Design…Time to Wade In by John Schroeder of Blogotional

Faith should not be dependent on science and science has nothing to say about faith.

The Problem of Death Before the Fall by Dory of Wittenberg Gate

Dory encourages Christians not to compromise the foundations of our Faith because of the uncertain claims of popular science.

The Inescapable God by Dave Ulrick of The (In)Scrutable Observer

The debate over evolution vs. creation is vitally important, but not so much on scientific as on theological grounds, because it implies the vitally important question, “Is there a God and, if so, what is he like?” In my article, I strive to demonstrate that science is incapable of answering this question, and that the worldview we adopt, whether it be Biblical Christianity or atheism, will be based on the faith-based presuppositions we make regarding God and the Bible rather than on scientific inquiry.

C v E - What’s the Fuss? by Ron Stewart of Northernburbsblog

While not the most important priority we should have as Christians, we cannot abandon the discussion. Those who seek truth need both sides engaged. And for those who seek meaning, the debate can provide some possible answers.

Naturalist - Naturalism by Scott of Christian Naturalist

I explain why I am a naturalist but don’t believe in naturalism.

Vox Apologia VII - Evolution vs. Creation: So What? by Janet Lee of Newton’s 1st Law of Motion

Denial of creation - indeed, denial of a literal interpretation of the first eleven chapters of Genesis - necessarily results in the denial of essential Christian doctrine. Hence, the creation - evolution debate is of paramount importance to the believer.

The Image of God vs. The Image of Progress by Joshua of RazorsKiss

Despite the philosophical dexterity accompanying the devaluation of man, while simultaneously exalting his attributes - we should take it as a warning. If we exalt the natural - we dethrone the supernatural - we dethrone God - and take His place as the pinnacle. When we take over the pinnacle - we set ourselves up as God.

Does Evolution vs. Creation Matter? by Ed “What the” Heckman of The Greatest Pursuits

This is my own thoughts on the matter. I explore four areas of life where the different assumptions produced by evolution and creation each lead to diametrically opposed conclusions. I am convinced that the search for objective truth always matters.

A Purpose Driven Life? by Dave of Revenge of Mr Dumpling

I believe that if we follow the assertions of the Theory of Evolution to their logical conclusions, we will find that they are incompatible with Scriptural truth, and therefore Christian belief. In this post I have picked two of the most glaring to illustrate my point.

Evolution vs. Creation, again. Why does it matter? by Matt Powell of Wheat and Chaff

Matt points out that most people choose what they want to believe because they like the story rather than because of any real knowledge of the facts.

Vox Apologia VII (7) by Andrew of Weapons of Warfare

I was really hoping Andrew would weigh in, and he didn’t disappoint. He explains that while it is unscientific to claim God as the cause for phenomenon which are simply not understood, it is just as unscientific to discount real evidence because it actually does point to God. The result is an argument based entirely in philosophy even when dressed up in the language of science.

Update: I’m tracking some of the followup postings on this subject here.

Does Evolution vs. Creation Matter?

February 28th, 2005 | 04:15 AM |by Ed "What the" Heckman

Several months ago, I was involved in an online debate over evolution vs. creation. The debate went pretty much as expected. Then as the debate was winding down, an interesting question was asked. In essence, the question was this: “Why bother debating over evolution vs. creation. That was a long time ago. What’s the point?” This is my answer to that question.

Rodney had been distracted for weeks when one of his friends cornered him and demanded an explanation for his behavior. When he admitted that he had been pondering the meaning of life, his friend suggested he visit the local wise man.

After climbing for hours, he finally reached the cave where the old hermit lived. Before approaching the cave, he rested for a bit to tend to his sore muscles, scrapes and bruises. Finally, gathering his courage he approached the cave and asked the old man, “Why am I here?”

“You are here,” the old man replied, “to get me a cold beer. Now get moving. I’m thirsty!”

The debate over the theory of evolution vs. creation is ultimately a debate over the meaning of life. Our view of the origin of humanity essentially determines our view of the world we encounter in our daily lives.

At some point in their lives, most people ponder the same question as Rodney. Getting a beer for a senile old coot is a pretty poor excuse for a meaningful life. Yet the answer evolution gives is even worse: “There is no meaning. You are merely an accident.” On the other hand, the answer creation gives is that every person was created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27) for His glory (Isaiah 43:7) for a reason; there are no accidents.

To see the impact of the debate over evolution vs. creation, I’m going to look at how these worldviews affect a person’s thinking in four specific areas: human rights, marriage, the rule of law and the reliability of the Bible.

Human Rights

One of the core theories of evolution is that of natural selection. Natural selection says that the weak perish while the strong survive and thrive, passing on their genes to the next generation. Those who survive overcome competition from weaker organisms around them, including those of their own species. The only rule is survival over others and producing as many offspring as possible.

By this rule, there is nothing wrong with the stronger taking resources from the weaker, even their lives. Whether taking resources is cheating someone out of their money — including a fair wage — enslavement, or even killing them (yes, I’m talking about murder), it’s all fair game under the survival of the fittest. Those who are most successful at eliminating competition without creating new competition and are able to gather strong allies are the most likely to survive to produce children. The exact methods of achieving success doesn’t matter to evolution, though I suspect quick and permanent removal of competition (i.e. fatal) would tend to trump more uncertain methods such as negotiation.

The theory of natural selection also requires the removal of the weak and infirm in order to move evolution along and remove “unnecessary” burdens on the healthy. Thus the elderly, the handicapped, and those with other “undesirable” physical traits would need to be removed from the gene pool in order to allow humanity to advance. In the effort to create a “super race” Nazi Germany instituted sterilization in 1934 and “euthenasia” in 1939. (See here and here.) And Germany was not the only country to institute such programs. Other countries, including the United States, have instituted forced sterilization and sometimes euthanasia programs in an attempt to “improve the human race” by preventing those with “defects” from reproducing. (Also see the first paragraph of this article by Margart Sanger, the founder of the American Birth Control League which eventually merged with similar organizations to became Planned Parenthood.)

By contrast, the Bible teaches that humans are created in the very image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), that God knows and celebrates every human life (Psalm 139:13-16), and that we are to always act in each others’ best interests as much as in our own (Matthew 22:39) even our enemies (Matthew 5:43-44), and take care of the weakest members of society (James 1:27).

The most famous passage in America’s founding documents is the beginning of the second paragraph in the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Under the theory of evolution, this sentence is meaningless because there is no creator, there is no equality, there is no such thing as unalienable Rights because there is no higher authority which establishes those rights; there is only stronger and weaker.

Marriage

A successful species by evolutionary standards is one which produces many successful offspring. Therefore, what matters is reproduction, not love; impregnation, not marriage. As long as many children are produced, it doesn’t matter what else occurs.

Such a standard not only allows for multiple partners, it encourages them, especially for men. By Darwinian standards, the man who fathers hundreds of children is significantly more successful than a man who fathers only 1 or 2. It should also be obvious that marriage is not necessary in order to father children. Rather, it is actually an impediment to evolutionary success.

In fact, this logical extension of evolution’s theory can, and has, been used to justify rape as a means of reproduction. (See “A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion” by Randy Thornhill, Craig T. Palmer. I will not link to this book from my site. It can be found on Amazon.) Of course, because evolution is based only on natural laws and has no moral laws, there is no built in impediments to non-heterosexual behavior, such as homosexuality, bestiality, etc.

By contrast, the Bible says that humans were designed to live in a lifelong exclusive marriage relationship consisting of one man and one woman (Matthew 19:4-6) where each meets various needs of the other.

The Rule of Law

As I’ve mentioned before, the theory of evolution is based upon the idea that only the strong survive. Another way of putting this is the “rule of claw,” where power is the only fact that matters. Or as Mao Tse-Tung put it, “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

Under evolution, the only laws which exist are natural laws and consequences. While it would not be possible for a man to deny or break the law of gravity, there are no inherent moral restrictions. For example, lying would be okay as long as you could get away with it. Stealing would be okay as long as you didn’t get caught. Heck, even murder would be okay as long as the consequences — such as someone else seeking revenge — can be avoided.

In fact, under evolutionary theory, all laws are merely human inventions. They can be created, changed and abolished or ignored at a whim by those with the right kind of power. So instead of laws being based on eternal principles, they become a means for one group to impose its will on another.

One hard-core atheist I debated accused Christians of attempting to impose their morality on others. What made it so hard for me to swallow was that his statement was in response to links to studies showing why the behavior under discussion was a really bad move. It wasn’t until I thought through this principle that I finally understood why he sees it that way. The logic works like this:

  1. Evolution means that there is no God. (Or at least that there isn’t a “god” powerful enough to matter.)
  2. Therefore, all religions/gods are made up by men.
  3. Therefore, all moral rules taught by those religions are also made up by men.
  4. Therefore, attempting to impose those rules for any reason is an attempt by one group to impose their will on another. In this case, the method of imposition just happens to be religion.

By contrast, if creation is actually true, then there truly is a God who has the authority (the creation belongs to the creator, lock, stock and barrel) and the power to impose and enforce moral laws. There is a standard of moral laws which supersedes all human authority. It is absolute and inviolable with no escape from consequences for even the smallest infraction. Attempting to live outside those laws becomes like playing russian roulette; you may escape the consequences for a little while, but not forever.

In fact, the concept of forever comes into play here. Under evolution, this life is all there is. Once you die, that’s it. There is no reward, no punishment. “He who dies with the most toys wins” and “Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die” become valid lifestyle choices. Seeking pleasure and avoiding pain become all there is to life.

But under creation, this life is no longer all there is. It is merely a training and testing ground. This life is merely a temporary flash in the pan where any rewards received or pain endured are mere sparks which are gone in an instant. (Romans 8:18) Even if justice is not done in this lifetime, it is perfectly carried out in the next.

Reliability of the Bible

In the book of Genesis, the Bible clearly states that God created all life in 6 literal days. When He was finished, He had created a perfect earth with two perfect humans. Those humans made a choice which resulted in death and destruction entering the world.

Thousands of years later, according to the Bible, a man who was “God In The Flesh” walked the earth using the name Jesus. He lived a perfect, sinless life and was crucified for His trouble. Three days later, He returned to life on His own.

Both incidents are equally difficult to believe. And both depend on each other. Without the creation, there was no perfection and no fall to be rescued from, thus no reason for Jesus to die in the first place. Without the ability to create life in the first place, there is no power to return to life after death.

The theory of evolution strikes at the very reliability of the Bilical narrative. If the incident of creation didn’t actually happen, then the Bible either lied about what happened, or it is mistaken. Either way, the Bible cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything — including Jesus’ resurrection from the dead. And if Jesus did not bodily rise from the dead as an objective fact, then Christianity is a fraud.

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

(1Cor. 15:12-19, NIV)

By contrast, if the Biblical account of creation is true then it becomes obvious that God can do anything and the entire Biblical account is trustworthy.

Objective Truth

Ultimately, the debate over evolution and creation is the debate over objective truth. There can be only One. There is only one reality which we all share. Either we accurately recognize what that reality is and act accordingly, or that reality will grind us to dust without even slowing down if we try to oppose it. Recognizing objective truth is accurately recognizing reality. That is what science is supposed to be — the search for objective truth. Yet the “science” of evolution has become anything but the search for truth.

Even as evolution science has made claims of being “objective” it has been defined as only accepting naturalistic answers. Any possible conclusion of design or creation in the debate over origins is automatically deemed as “unscientific,” even if that is where the evidence leads.

It’s as if a math teacher was giving problem sets to her students. As she hands out the papers, she tells the students that ‘4’ is never a correct answer. In fact, if she sees the answer ‘4’ anywhere on the paper, that paper will be given an ‘F’ grade. Among the problems, the students find these: ‘2 + 2 =’ and ‘5 - 1 =’. What will the students write as their answers? It won’t be ‘4’ even if that is the correct answer. (Unless, of course, a student is as stubborn about truth as I am.)

If you think I’m overstating the case, just consider this section from Nancy Peacey’s excellent book, “Total Truth”:

Harvard biologist Richard Lewontin gave the game away in a highly revealing article in the New York Review of Books a few years ago. Lewontin starts out by admitting the darker side of science (it makes extravagant claims, causes environmental problems, and so on). And yet, he quickly adds, we must still prefer science to any form of supernaturalism. Why? Because, “we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.”

“It’s not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation” of the world, Lewontin explains. “On the contrary,” he says, “we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations.” Translation: We first accepted materialism as a philosophy, and then refashioned science into a machine for cranking out strictly materialistic theories.

Finally, he warns that this materialism must be “absolute, for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door.” That final phrase points to what’s really at stake in the evolution controversy. Why does Lewontin urge us to define science as applied materialism? Because otherwise we might let a “divine foot in the door.” And we all know what happens then: When a salesman gets his foot in the door, pretty soon his brooms and brushes are all over your living room. If a “divine foot” ever got in the door of science, that would provide the groundwork for the entire Christian worldview, with its theology and biblical morality. That’s what sends a shiver of fear up the spine of many secularists.

Let’s face it, the Bible claims to be objective truth. It says that God “created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) It says that God’s handiwork is displayed all around us. (Psalm 19:1-2) It says that Jesus actually came to earth “in the flesh.” (1 John 4:2) In other words, it claims to be an accurate historical record of actual events. Therefore, it’s entirely reasonable for honest science (without the naturalistic biases) to agree with the Bible.

That is why the debate over evolution and creationism matters. It is a debate over objective truth. It is a debate over whether the Bible is factually accurate; and that is a debate Christians must be willing to engage in. If we do not, we automatically concede “objective truth” status to those who refuse to accept even the possibility of God’s existence. And in so doing, we abandon many who are searching for the honest objective truth to eternity in hell.

Exercise: I discussed four areas where the starting assumptions about evolution and creation create diametrically opposed approaches to the issues. Can you think of any other areas where a person’s preference for evolution or creation produces vast differences and what those differences are? Some possibilities include: self-esteem, the role of government, charity, health care, biotechnology, the environment, etc.

Starting Lines — Feb 24, 2005

February 24th, 2005 | 04:48 PM |by Ed "What the" Heckman

The Inerrancy Of Scripture

Now that Tim Challies of Challies.com has recovered from his cold, he has begun to address the inerrancy of scripture. This is yet another must read by Tim.

The Religious Life Of Teens

A book to be released next week gives the results of a 4 year study which shows that religion matters to more teens than ever, but their knowledge of God is sorely lacking. You can read more about it here.

Update On Terri Shiavo

Terri has been granted another temporary reprieve on the attempts to take her life. Make sure to keep up with the latest developments at BlogsForTerri. The web site has also just added the ability to make donations via PayPal to cover advertising to spread the truth about Terri’s situation.

Romanism, Mary and The Catechism, Part 2

February 24th, 2005 | 01:13 AM |by Ed "What the" Heckman

Last week I started a parallel series to my series on Romanism and Ales Rarus. In this series, I’m comparing what the “Catechism Of The Catholic Church” (CCC) says about Mary to what the Bible says about her.

A Reply From Anonymous

Before I get back to the comparison, Ales Rarus has posted a reply from an anonymous writer.

1. Ed’s first point is that Mary cannot be the most perfect example of human faithfulness because: a) she’s no more faithful than Abraham; and b) she seems to have had doubts over the course of Christ’s life.

That’s a fair summary, with one exception…

In response, I would note that: a) Before God asked Abraham to be faithful, He promised Abraham a number of rewards for faithfulness. See Gen. 17.

Yes, God did make promises to Abraham. But Abraham did not live to see them fulfilled.

All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

(Heb. 11:13, NASB)

In fact, in the biggest test of his life, God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac — which would have ended the promised descendents via Isaac — without giving him any new promises.

Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” And He said, “Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you.”

(Gen. 22:1-2, NASB)

Yet Abraham’s faith was so strong that he obeyed God without question.

By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.

(Heb. 11:17-19, NIV)

Anonymous continued with:

But He promised nothing to Mary directly, yet she was nevertheless willing to do his will.

On the contrary, Mary received a promise very similar to the one Abraham received in Genesis 17:

“And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”

(Luke 1:31-33, NASB)

In general, I think Anonymous missed the main point. The CCC teaches that Mary’s faith is superior to Abraham’s. Yet the Bible praises Abraham’s faith as being superior (Hebrews 11:11–19) but says very little about Mary’s faith.

Success? Or Failure?

And b) the doubts that Mary had were not, as Ed claims, evidence of a weak faith; they were tests of faith that Mary passed. Simeon warned Mary that “you yourself a sword will pierce,” Luke 2:35, and his prophecy came true in each of the instances Ed cites.

What are doubts, if not weak faith?

And afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen.

(Mark 16:14, NASB)

Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.

(Mark 16:14, NIV)

In some translations, “unbelief” is translated as “lack of faith” because the greek word απιστια (apistia) means both. From Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

2. want of faith, unbelief: shown in withholding belief in the divine power, Mark 16:14, or in the power and promises of God, Rom. 4:20; Heb. 3:19; in the divine mission of Jesus, Matt. 13:58; Mark 6:6; by opposition to the gospel, 1 Tim. 1:13; with the added notion of obstinacy, Rom. 11:20, 23; Heb. 3:12. contextually, weakness of faith: Matt. 17:20 (where L T Tr WH oligopistian); Mark 9:24. (In Greek writings from Hesiod and Herodotus down.)*

Emphasis mine

If I had acted as Mary did — going with Jesus’ brothers to help bring Him home because they thought he was out of His mind — I would not consider that a high point of faith in my life especially when Jesus said, in essence, that they were not His mother and brothers because they were not doing “God’s Will.” Remember, this woman was told by an angel that Jesus was the “Son of the Most High” yet she at least entertained enough doubts about that fact to go help bring Jesus home. The Bible doesn’t say whether Mary also thought Jesus was out of His mind, but it is possible that she may have thought so as well. One thing is for certain, she did not oppose Jesus’ brothers, therefore her faith in Jesus was lacking.

As for a sword piercing Mary’s soul, yes, the scriptures do indicate that Mary would be tested. Compare that phrase in its context with Hebrews 4:12.

And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, “Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed — and a sword will pierce even your own soul — to the end that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.”

(Luke 2:34-35, NASB)

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

(Heb. 4:12, NASB)

I had thought that the image of a sword piercing Mary’s soul was merely referring to the mental anguish she would suffer when Jesus was tortured and crucified, and that appears to be part of what Simeon was saying. Yet the word order of the NASB translation (which is the word order of the original Greek) indicates that Mary’s thoughts and intentions would also be tested. However, there is no indication or promise that she would always pass. And in the two instances I’ve cited, if (or more accurately, when) I’ve reacted to God as Mary did, my lack of faith in God are failures, not successes.

“Sinless New Eve”

And as for Mary being a “sinless New Eve”, Anonymous wrote:

2. Ed’s second point is that Mary cannot rightly be considered a sinless “New Eve” because: a) she calls God her Savior in Luke 1, and the sinless do not need a savior; and b) there is no explicit scriptural support for Mary as a sinless “New Eve.”

In response, I would note that: a) you can “save” people in two ways: getting them out of trouble, or keeping them from getting into it in the first place. Knocking someone out of the path of a speeding car saves that person just as much as providing medical care in the event that he is hit. God saved Mary from sin by keeping her from it; he saves us from sin by getting us out of it.

But what about the scripture passages that say all have sinned and the ones which state that only Jesus was without sin?

And b) Ed is right that there is no explicit scriptural support for calling Mary a sinless “New Eve.” But this is not a problem for Catholics, who don’t demand explicit scriptural support in the way that Protestants do. Catholics believe that the Church came before the Bible in that it preached before the Bible was written, and it chose the Books that were to become part of the Bible (choosing the synoptic Gospels over the gnostic ones, etc.). For this reason, the Church can proclaim a doctrine without explicit scripural support, for the Bible is a creature of the Church, and not the other way round.

Emphasis mine

This is the heart of the matter. Is it legitimate for “the church” to proclaim a doctrine which has no scriptural support or not? The answer to that question is where I am headed with both this series and “Romanism and Ales Rarus”. But I am not yet ready to provide the answer. That will require its own post. For now, I am content to point out that the RCC teachings about Mary do not have “explicit scriptural support.”

Doggone it! This was just supposed to be a quick response before returning to the CCC. But, seeing as this post is already exceedingly long, that will have to wait for Part 3.

To be continued…

See also:

Starting Lines — Feb 23, 2005

February 23rd, 2005 | 01:51 PM |by Ed "What the" Heckman

More On Is The TNIV Good News?

Yesterday I noted that Mark D. Roberts had a six part series on the TNIV controversy. I was wrong. At this point the series is now up to 8 posts with more to come. So far, he hasn’t significantly touched on the TNIV translation itself. Rather he has been discussing the wide variety of translations available and difficulties which are inherent in translating from Greek and Hebrew to English.

Christian Carnival

Wallo World is hosting this week’s Christian Carnival which highlights some truly fine writing.